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Cygnus Scott
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 17:49:00 -
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Well I've gotten into a Retriever and things have drastically changed from running my Osprey and I've got a few questions/problems.
1) Before when mining in my Osprey it would take several cycles to fill up a GSC, now my Retriever only takes like 2 cycles before I've got enough ore to fill the GSC. This requires a LOT of warping and ship exchanging which completely sucks. If I just fill my Retriever's hold then its one cycle and warp back and empty my cargo. If I use a jetcan than I have to deal with can flippers. Are there any cans larger than a GSC that I could use for mining that will foil flippers? Yes I'm aware of hauling alts, but I think it blows I have to pay for a second account to mine efficiently when there isn't a corpmate to haul for me.
2) What he heck is with the Covetor? I mean you need Mining Barge V an Astrogeology V to fly it and it only takes a couple days (29 hours for my character) after that to be in a Hulk. Why would I ever fly a Covetor when I can wait 2 days, save the approximately 20 million it costs, and buy myself a Hulk? I don't get why anyone would fly it except for not being able to afford a Hulk. Then again if you're going for the Hulk you've got at least a month of training between the Retriever and being able to fly a Covetor, then another 2 days for Exhumers III. You should be able to scrounge up 130 million ISK by then or $14.95 for a GTC to sell for ISK to get your Hulk.
3) When not mining with friends I have to mine solo what is the most efficient way to mine solo now that I have a Barge? Drop it in a GSC (gives me about 3 cycles before it and my hold are full), drop it in a jet can and haul it with my industrial (flippers become a PITA with this method), or just warp back and forth emptying my hold?
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Cygnus Scott
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 18:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Suncats Shadow
Congrats on getting into to the Retriever.
- 1) No there is no larger can that the GSC and with the up coming patch you will need to make sure that you use them at least once a month or they will be removed. The only other way to decrease the losers who are can flippers, is to get out of the high traffic system that are around the hubs.
- 2) The Covetor use to be the top line barge before the Hulks came out. Now that they are here and the required time to train up exhumer skill to get into a Hulk is really small. Therefore I would just stay in the Retriever and train right up to the Hulk. Not sure why CCP did not make the requirements for a Hulk a bit more, so that using the Covetor would still be an option.
- 3) If you are not mining with a dedicated hauler type and still in systems where you need to worry about the loser can flippers, then I would go with cargo expanders in your lows to increase the cargo size. Then just mine until you are full and haul back to the station. You can find systems farther out from hubs and agent running systems; which will have almost no can flippers. In that case you can jet can and then haul when the can is full.
Good luck on your mining business.
Thanks for the reply, I've already started looking for some systems that are more off the beaten path of Caldari Space. However I'm not sure whether or not to move to a place that has Kernite or Omber in high sec space and try my hand at minig that.
They really need a container that is a cross between a jetcan and a secure container. Make it twice as tough as a Jet can, hold the same amount as a jetcan, give it a password lock, and let it expire in 2 hours. Set the cost to 50k ISK. The flippers are foiled from easy money that way.
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Cygnus Scott
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 19:56:00 -
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Here's the thing though unless you are mining away from a place with a station you can warp back and forth to station and have 0 risk. it costs a bit of time. One minute out of every 5 we'll say if you're efficient about it. That costs one cycle every 15 minutes or 4 cycles an hour. That's about 20k Plagioclase for me which sells raw for about 600k. Nothing to sneeze at but then again a can flipper can cost you so much more. Is the payoff worth the risk? I'm undecided.
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Cygnus Scott
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.19 21:01:00 -
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Already have perfect standing with Caldari Navy, working on the refining part now. I may just join a mining corp, it depends on some things with my friends and where things are going for us. If they stay I'll be staying with them, if not I'll be looking to join a mining/industrial corp.
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Cygnus Scott
Caldari
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2008.02.20 15:28:00 -
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Edited by: Cygnus Scott on 20/02/2008 15:29:24
Originally by: Huberek Morchu
Are you using ONLY 1 GSC? Put about or maybe 3 in each belt. Then you fill one, move on, fill another, move on, and so on. Once they are all full, get your hauler and empty. But really the key here is that this is a MULTIPLAYER game. Make some friends.
What part of "...when there isn't a corpmate to haul for me." in the first question was unclear?
Reading is fundamental my friend.
Yes I'm using one GSC, the real problem is the 5000m limit and everyone else's GSC all over, getting 2-3 close enough where I'm not spending loads of time moving from one to another and/or moving out of range of the good rocks is rather difficult. I have a few belts where I have multiple GSCs but they are so far from one another that its quicker to warp out and warp back than it is to fly between them. I've already though about this one.
Ideally would be 3 GSC (cause I can fit 3 in my badger) positioned in such a way that I could fill a can and move to the next while the strips cycle. As I said above, with all the GSCs scattered over most belts this is nearly impossible however. I've even got some ideas for mining in a system with no stations.
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